Bircurl - Staff Harassment

Username: Bircurl

Ban reason: Staff Harassment

Ban issue: I did not do what I was banned for.

Events leading to the ban

I was alerted of my friend, Amped, acting a fool about capes in a group of friends from Goobstation. Considering I don’t play this server anymore, I was unaware of the drama these simple looking cloak capes carried. I messaged Amped, saying EXACTLY: “Ok seriously why are you chimping out about some [slur] capes? You look like a dumbass right now and it’s embarrassing ASF bro.”

Amped responds with a lion (presumably me) yelling at an intelligent monkey (allegedly them) with a speech bubble above the lion. I respond with, exactly, “Im just saying you look like you’re having a tantrum over some capes and it is very embarrassing for you.”

Amped then responds to my non-emotionally charged message (as seen above) with this wording exactly: “Yes hi so as much as you post images of me to your discord or copypaste echo chamber in there I honestly couldn’t really care what you all think. I don’t really respect the opinion of the person who encouraged in mainchat to “dm a headmin’s partner”, the staff member who has spread misinformation and startedly actively attacking players in maincord and trying to “u16 or staff disrespect” someone saying “my favorite admin”, etc etc. It’s honestly really embarassing for you.”

Yeah, I don’t know what they’re talking about either. I respond with these words exactly, “The thing is I’m not tied to them. I’m only in a discord server with them And I’m simply saying you look like a [slur] doing all of this over capes”

Amped responds with a philosophical view on the matter. These are their exact words, “No it’s actually exposed a flaw of communication between both maints, staff, this new art team, and players than I’m working to try and bridge instead. The supposed reason of “art team” used in the pr is just factually untrue, but I’d rather give it to actual consideration than a game of telephone that people keep getting answers wrong to.”

Do you see how we’re having a conversation, with some slurs mixed in? That’s normal, for me and Amped at least. Is it slightly insulting? Yea, but we’re friends (or used to be, at least, idk lmao) & I can prove our friendship with screenshots of previous chats if needed, I can assure you if we were not friends, we were very close “associates” or whatever corporate speak is desired by ss14 servers nowadays.

I realize Amped is obviously effected by these capes being reverted, and I end this conversation with these exact words, “Aight, whatever. Your mental state has obviously been effected by the [slur] in the goob playerbase, sending [word for a woman who has had multiple sexual relationships]s & prayers to you bro, but just realize how dumb you look to the “outside people” right now”

This is a nice send-off and I wish them the best, simply suggesting to them to realize how concerned an outside player can find themselves after finding out this drama.

Amped responds, “Mayb I’m just different than how you were as a headmin, but I honestly don’t particularly care about looks or opinions from other people.”

Very interesting.

Reason the ban should be removed

Me and Amped were what I thought friends.

The reason I opened with calling amped a dumbass is because I wanted to get the message across: They were making a fool of themselves, and I was concerned for their personal reputation as a goob head admin. They’re meant to act professional, not have what I would personally describe as a “chimp out” publicly about some cloaks.

Why I consider myself & Amped friends is months of talking with eachother, both in and out of a group of people who play goob & ss14 in general, and sharing staff chats with eachother, both Monolith & Goobstation staffchats. If needed, I can pull out screenshots proving this.

I don’t get why Amped (or another admin, idk) banned me … 6 hours after the fact? If Amped considered it harassment, I personally believe they should’ve asked me to stop, or give me a warning beforehand. Not silently ban me after I go to sleep 6 hours after we were done talking.

Of course, there is bias within the staff team on me. I feel like the Head of Staff, Rer, and Amped will be biased against me, so I personally request that they do not vote on my appeal. Thank you.

As an edit, I have to include that Amped said, “I honestly don’t particularly care about looks or opinions from other people.” If this is true, why was I banned for harassment? They don’t care, they clearly said they don’t by “I honestly don’t particularly care about . . . opinions from other people.”

With love, Nigel.

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This is written on mobile rn so might have some mistakes due to fucky autocorrect, bear with me.

I’m just going to preface this with, I’m not the banning admin.
However the part you are not mentioning is that this was the exact same time that said people in said discord were actively engaging in just trying to shit talk me and cause drama from Github to Ivory Tower to Maincord. Including up to posting details about my private personal life.

The reason this is relevant is because of the other detail you have left out of this ban appeal, is that you posted this dm with you to said discord full of said people trying to do whatever they could to cause drama with me. I cannot genuinely see how in any world this can be taken as “Good Faith” when the moment this dm stopped being between you and me was within the first couple of messages where you shared this dm outside of just me and you. Especially to people that were actively causing drama over me, and we both know how that discord full of people you “have no ties” to works, discord message links or github prs or whatever are shared whenever someone starts an argument or wants to, you’ve participated in it yourself.

I also genuinely don’t know how you honestly try to argue you have no ties to this discord when you are in fact the owner. When you in fact are also the person who maintains the part of it that contains a list of people dubbed “the list” or “the manifesto” (idr what the up to date name for it was when I left) that is basically just a list of people who have slighted people in that server. When you also in fact were (and likely still are) constantly engaging in the same behaviors with these people, up and to literally posting monolith chat links for people to all gang up on, yes, the server you are now a headmin for.

Months of sharing funny drama about le spess game is all and well but again this stopped being a message between two friends when you yourself are the one who shared it outside of our DMs. I was content to resolve it between me and you, but apparently you weren’t. I was also content to leave all this drama behind when I left, months ago, and hadn’t talked about the meta friend discord in that same vein of just, whatever, mutual parting, until said members kept trying to start shit with me over stuff that was completely separate to Goob in maincord general chat again and again. And I know you’re aware of all of this because not only is this the sort of stuff that is constantly shared there, but you and I have even talked about a few instances of this.

  1. i was banned on ivory tower, only unbanned today after router noticed i was for some reason. i dont check github, the only time I was on github was the front page/looking at the cloaks of the PR and leaving a comment saying that everyone involved should take a break from the internet, during this I did not see anything about your personal life being revealed, and I dont see how this relates to my ban tbh

feel like youre overexaggerating it but idek. im not in touch with the goobstation community as muhc as I used to be (for obvious reasons) & I can only point out like 2 people there that genuinely don’t like you. Not sure about the drama part doe, since I thought they left you alone. I shared our DMs because your unserious approach to it (ragebait gif lol)

”up and to literally posting monolith chat links for people to all gang up on, yes, the server you are now a headmin for” (quote copy and paste stopped working for some reason)

Yea i link them some dumb suggestions that I think .. are dumb .. What about it? They’re their own people, they have their own opinions, whenever I ping them most of the times I say “form your own opinion” lololol.

”but you and I have even talked about a few instances of this.”

about you & jack? yea. Thats all I remember being talked about, and he’s weird for that.

Overall if I’m banned for the fact of sharing DMs oh well.
Why am I the banned one and not the people who “cause drama” and “actively engage” in it
very confusing thought process from whoever banned me

I shared our DMs because your unserious approach to it (ragebait gif lol)

With all due respect, yea this is the friends approach. You literally said I was “chimping out” and I posted a gif personally I feel like was literally the most obvious meme answer as we both have in the past. I would’ve followed up but once again I was also trying to deal with 130 messages a second containing my personal info and le drama wee woo wee woo, and next thing I know you’re just posting it to those same people doing it.

It’s been more than that just off what I remember off the top of my head but with all due respect I would rather not drama stir on your appeal just as much as you don’t want to so lets, leave all that shit out of here or Goob discords as it does not have any relation to Goob.

I’m assuming harassment comes from the fact that you deadass used what is considered slurs addressing me with dms at the same time I am being pinged in 3 different places with people trying to be aggressive to me. And outside of just the first message that you said was to get my attention.

I’m being 100% real when I say personal private life including such mentions as my relationship which I feel like you can understand has literally no fucking reason to be mentioned in what was a PR discussion thread about cloaks. Argue with me whatever but yea it’s doing whatever to make drama when you start pulling out someone’s personal information.

I can’t say as to this, but then again this is also a lot to go through and be dealt with and is probably going to take time, and you know as well as I that me touching any of it with a 10ft pole is the most clear break of processing a case I was involved in.

We can’t use slurs in DM’s now?

”I’m being 100% real when I say personal private life including such mentions as my relationship which I feel like you can understand has literally no fucking reason to be mentioned in what was a PR discussion thread about cloaks”

yea, agree. I didnt do any of that tho.

”I can’t say as to this, but then again this is also a lot to go through and be dealt with and is probably going to take time, and you know as well as I that me touching any of it with a 10ft pole is the most clear break of processing a case I was involved in.”

It seems like I was targeted. You would have their discord id’s, usernames, proof via audit logs… ??? Why me only? Y’all were fast to ban me but not the people sharing ur real life info lmao.

Again with respect I’m not the one who banned you, nor the one who shared said dms. Also lets be real look at context both of those I was using the exact term in reference to what we were discussing not just dropping a slur lmao.

No audit logs because it was not deleted and deadass those would’ve been easier to find atp because all this shit took place in a literal 1.6k message thread that now has to be looked through between the emote/gifs sent during, actual discussion about the pr, and spam meme shit. It was also done close to the dead hours of the night, and now early morning to just reaching evening in EU, so most staff aren’t actually active yet.

true, but your criticism is of me using it as an insult? You’ve used the slur on other people as an insult too. - ones that I censored, if you want me to uncensor them, please let me know.

”so most staff aren’t actually active yet.”

i suppose i’ll see a banwave coming shortly then, if this wasn’t a targeted ban :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m, not criticizing your usage of it, you were saying if your ban was for sharing dms I’m stating that my assumption (educated guess) is for the usage of what is considered a no no word (slur) in Goobstation both in-game and discord.

I decided to ban you because I thought it was dogshit behaviour following the dogshit drama that was talked about actively for over 12 hours. If you didn’t know about it, you’ve some crazy selective reading.

Everyone involved is a fool, some far more than others. At Amped’s request I will remove the Discord ban.